Debate Scorecards!
Let's see who lied more in the debates and whose lies were more serious!
Sept 30th debate:
Bush:
1) Lied about funds for Iraqi reconstruction
2) Lied about number of trained Iraqi security personnel
3) Lied when he claimed that Kerry said that we would have troops out of Iraq in 6 months. Kerry never said that.
4) Lied when he said that 75% of al Qaeda have been brought to justice. Simply not true. In fact, al Qaeda has grown since the war started!
5) Lied about 10 million people registering to vote in Afghanistan
6) Lied about increasing spending towards curbing nuclear proliferation. He proposed a CUT in spending, though Congress has added increases.
7) Lied about working to create the dept of homeland security – he actually opposed this!
Kerry:
1) Said we had bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora and we “outsourced” finding him to Afghan “warlords”. We did not have proof that he was there, though we “strongly suspected” it. So, we do not know for sure that he was there, though we had strong reason to believe it. I'd call that semantics.
2) Said that the cost of the Iraq war has been 200 billion – it has “only” been 120 billion, though the other 80 billion is allocated already.
3) Exaggerated when saying that Bush was spending hundreds of millions towards new nuclear weapons. The CURRENT figure is much smaller, though the administration has set aside even more for future budgets.
4) Misspoke in saying that WMDs were crossing Iraqi borders – meant to say terrorists.
5) Said the NY subway had to be closed during the RNC – was not true. No one seems to know where he was going with this one!
VP Debates:
Cheney:
1) Cheney gets the address to FactCheck.org wrong! This one is understandable, but pretty hilarious!
2) Lies repeatedly about Kerry & Edwards being for the war then against the war – absolutely not true! Look at the full quotes that they have made and they are saying exactly the opposite of what Bush & Cheney are claiming they said! These guys are masters of taking words out of context!
3) Lied about Edwards using old data when talking about the loss of jobs. Edwards did use selective figures, as did Cheney, but did not lie or use old data. The truth is that this administration did not generate the number of jobs that they themselves said that they would – AFTER 9-11.
4) Lied about never meeting Edwards previously. Obviously, he was making a point, but it was a silly thing to say since it was so easily disproven.
5) Tried to distort the fact that America has suffered 90% of the coalition casualties in Iraq. An absurd ploy – he included Iraqis in his figure, and it was still wrong!
6) Lied about the number of small businesses affected by Kerry’s tax plan. Under his definition, he himself, Bush, Kerry, and many more millionaires would all be considered “small business owners” – obviously a ridiculous claim.
7) Lied about the amount (giving a 5 year figure – of which they didn’t even spend one year’s budgeted amount - instead of a yearly figure) of money to help in the fight of AIDs.
8) Lied about Kerry & Edwards being for and then against the No Child Left Behind act. They are for it, but want it to be sufficiently funded.
9) This one's a whopper! – claims he never said there was a connection between Iraq & 9/11. Another easily proven lie.
10) Lied about the number of times that Kerry voted for tax increases. Including multiple votes on the same bill and votes on tax bills that do not include tax increases.
WOW! He even lied more often than Bush!!!
Edwards:
1) Some timeline problems with his accusations of Cheney and Halliburton, though Cheney does still have ties to the company.
2) Accusation of administrations' cutting of combat pay does not seem to be supported.
3) Exaggerated the lack of funding for No Child Left Behind – the administration did not actually cut funding, but did not fund as fully as promised.
Oct 8 Debate:
Bush:
1) Lies about Kerry’s health care plan – numerous lies of all sorts! “lead to rationing” “ruin the quality of health care” “put Washington bureaucrats in control” “big government in charge – not you, not your doctor” – no basis for any of these lies.
2) Lied about owning a timber company – though he made just be ignorant of his many holdings.
3) Drug Discount Cards not working nearly as well as he would like people to believe.
4) Lies about lawsuits costing the health care community $28 billion a year. “No evidence” found to support this.
5) Lies about Kerry voting to raise taxes – same lie as before
6) Lies about small business seeing a tax increase under Kerry’s tax bill
7) Lied about the increase of the child tax credit
Kerry:
1) The No Child Left Behind exaggeration that has been said before – not actually lying, but some distortion.
2) Said Army's Chief of Staff, Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, was forced to retire for saying before the invasion of Iraq that many more troops were needed than the administration was planning to send. Was not actually forced to retire, but his retirement and replacement was announced 14 months in advance in order to undermine his authority.
3) Job loss - same exaggeration as mentioned before.
4) Medicare prescription drug benefit - taking his figures from a contested study.
These are just the facts from FactCheck.org! These do not take into account the misleading remarks that may not be actually called lies, of which there are many. Saying that there will be more attacks if Kerry is elected, the incredible distortion of Kerry's "global test" statement, using Zell Miller as an example of an unsatisfied Democrat (if that is an example of what state of mind a Democrat has to be in to think like a Rebulican, I would think they would want to hide him away forever!), the absurd amount of times that they have to repeat the true "wrong war, wrong time" statement of Kerry's and try to make it a bad thing, the "flip-flop" lies that they keep repeating in the hopes that someone will still believe that this is true...I'm sure that there are more, but I need to review the transcripts. And this also does not take into account the obvious examples of Bush & Cheney's unbalanced nature - like Bush saying "let me finish" to no one in the first debate (that was downright spooky), him called Kerry "Kennedy", called this the "Internets", Cheney swearing at people, Cheney not having any defense for Bush's discrimination against gays, Bush flat-out saying that he doesn't spend time thinking about bin Laden (! - I'd say that the rest of us do!), both of their continual confusion of bin Laden and Hussein, and the incredible number of lies that led us to the war in Iraq. I cannot see how anyone can have any defense whatsoever of these madmen!!!!
Sept 30th debate:
Bush:
1) Lied about funds for Iraqi reconstruction
2) Lied about number of trained Iraqi security personnel
3) Lied when he claimed that Kerry said that we would have troops out of Iraq in 6 months. Kerry never said that.
4) Lied when he said that 75% of al Qaeda have been brought to justice. Simply not true. In fact, al Qaeda has grown since the war started!
5) Lied about 10 million people registering to vote in Afghanistan
6) Lied about increasing spending towards curbing nuclear proliferation. He proposed a CUT in spending, though Congress has added increases.
7) Lied about working to create the dept of homeland security – he actually opposed this!
Kerry:
1) Said we had bin Laden cornered in Tora Bora and we “outsourced” finding him to Afghan “warlords”. We did not have proof that he was there, though we “strongly suspected” it. So, we do not know for sure that he was there, though we had strong reason to believe it. I'd call that semantics.
2) Said that the cost of the Iraq war has been 200 billion – it has “only” been 120 billion, though the other 80 billion is allocated already.
3) Exaggerated when saying that Bush was spending hundreds of millions towards new nuclear weapons. The CURRENT figure is much smaller, though the administration has set aside even more for future budgets.
4) Misspoke in saying that WMDs were crossing Iraqi borders – meant to say terrorists.
5) Said the NY subway had to be closed during the RNC – was not true. No one seems to know where he was going with this one!
VP Debates:
Cheney:
1) Cheney gets the address to FactCheck.org wrong! This one is understandable, but pretty hilarious!
2) Lies repeatedly about Kerry & Edwards being for the war then against the war – absolutely not true! Look at the full quotes that they have made and they are saying exactly the opposite of what Bush & Cheney are claiming they said! These guys are masters of taking words out of context!
3) Lied about Edwards using old data when talking about the loss of jobs. Edwards did use selective figures, as did Cheney, but did not lie or use old data. The truth is that this administration did not generate the number of jobs that they themselves said that they would – AFTER 9-11.
4) Lied about never meeting Edwards previously. Obviously, he was making a point, but it was a silly thing to say since it was so easily disproven.
5) Tried to distort the fact that America has suffered 90% of the coalition casualties in Iraq. An absurd ploy – he included Iraqis in his figure, and it was still wrong!
6) Lied about the number of small businesses affected by Kerry’s tax plan. Under his definition, he himself, Bush, Kerry, and many more millionaires would all be considered “small business owners” – obviously a ridiculous claim.
7) Lied about the amount (giving a 5 year figure – of which they didn’t even spend one year’s budgeted amount - instead of a yearly figure) of money to help in the fight of AIDs.
8) Lied about Kerry & Edwards being for and then against the No Child Left Behind act. They are for it, but want it to be sufficiently funded.
9) This one's a whopper! – claims he never said there was a connection between Iraq & 9/11. Another easily proven lie.
10) Lied about the number of times that Kerry voted for tax increases. Including multiple votes on the same bill and votes on tax bills that do not include tax increases.
WOW! He even lied more often than Bush!!!
Edwards:
1) Some timeline problems with his accusations of Cheney and Halliburton, though Cheney does still have ties to the company.
2) Accusation of administrations' cutting of combat pay does not seem to be supported.
3) Exaggerated the lack of funding for No Child Left Behind – the administration did not actually cut funding, but did not fund as fully as promised.
Oct 8 Debate:
Bush:
1) Lies about Kerry’s health care plan – numerous lies of all sorts! “lead to rationing” “ruin the quality of health care” “put Washington bureaucrats in control” “big government in charge – not you, not your doctor” – no basis for any of these lies.
2) Lied about owning a timber company – though he made just be ignorant of his many holdings.
3) Drug Discount Cards not working nearly as well as he would like people to believe.
4) Lies about lawsuits costing the health care community $28 billion a year. “No evidence” found to support this.
5) Lies about Kerry voting to raise taxes – same lie as before
6) Lies about small business seeing a tax increase under Kerry’s tax bill
7) Lied about the increase of the child tax credit
Kerry:
1) The No Child Left Behind exaggeration that has been said before – not actually lying, but some distortion.
2) Said Army's Chief of Staff, Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, was forced to retire for saying before the invasion of Iraq that many more troops were needed than the administration was planning to send. Was not actually forced to retire, but his retirement and replacement was announced 14 months in advance in order to undermine his authority.
3) Job loss - same exaggeration as mentioned before.
4) Medicare prescription drug benefit - taking his figures from a contested study.
These are just the facts from FactCheck.org! These do not take into account the misleading remarks that may not be actually called lies, of which there are many. Saying that there will be more attacks if Kerry is elected, the incredible distortion of Kerry's "global test" statement, using Zell Miller as an example of an unsatisfied Democrat (if that is an example of what state of mind a Democrat has to be in to think like a Rebulican, I would think they would want to hide him away forever!), the absurd amount of times that they have to repeat the true "wrong war, wrong time" statement of Kerry's and try to make it a bad thing, the "flip-flop" lies that they keep repeating in the hopes that someone will still believe that this is true...I'm sure that there are more, but I need to review the transcripts. And this also does not take into account the obvious examples of Bush & Cheney's unbalanced nature - like Bush saying "let me finish" to no one in the first debate (that was downright spooky), him called Kerry "Kennedy", called this the "Internets", Cheney swearing at people, Cheney not having any defense for Bush's discrimination against gays, Bush flat-out saying that he doesn't spend time thinking about bin Laden (! - I'd say that the rest of us do!), both of their continual confusion of bin Laden and Hussein, and the incredible number of lies that led us to the war in Iraq. I cannot see how anyone can have any defense whatsoever of these madmen!!!!
posted by rich at 3:55 PM
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